Upgrade program for Philippine Army V-150s

[Adroth]

The Philippine Marines have their Light Armor System Upgrade (LARSU) program to improve their V-150s. The first phase, which focused on replacing the engines with new Cummins diesel engines, similar to what's used with the V-300

http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=7933.0

Apparently the Philippine Army has its own program. See here:

http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/Web%202007/cmdo.htm

On the re-powering of Cmdo V-150:

We are also undertaking a project wherein we are changing the current engine of V-150 from it V8 engine to a 6BT5-9 Cummins Diesel Engine. This is because the old engine is already phased out in the market with no available spare parts.

[hellstrom94]

The above effort is part of the LAD R&D of utilizing available components in the sustainment of its current fleet. Proper  V-150 Upgrade Program will be done under the AFP CUP.

[Adroth]

The above effort is part of the LAD R&D of utilizing available components in the sustainment of its current fleet. Proper  V-150 Upgrade Program will be done under the AFP CUP.

Mr H,

Do the PA and PMC coordinate with each other re their upgrade programs?

[SalatSaPoknat]

The Philippine Marines have their Light Armor System Upgrade (LARSU) program to improve their V-150s. The first phase, which focused on replacing the engines with new Cummins diesel engines, similar to what's used with the V-300

http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=7933.0

Apparently the Philippine Army has its own program. See here:

http://www.army.mil.ph/Army_Sites/INFANTRY%20DIVISIONS/Web%202007/cmdo.htm

On the re-powering of Cmdo V-150:

We are also undertaking a project wherein we are changing the current engine of V-150 from it V8 engine to a 6BT5-9 Cummins Diesel Engine. This is because the old engine is already phased out in the market with no available spare parts.[/b]

Curious question guys, if it's parts that they need why not get an Isuzu. Parts are easily available all around the Phil.    Mechanics are already familiar with it.

[count montedegallo]

Curious question guys, if it's parts that they need why not get an Isuzu. Parts are easily available all around the Phil.    Mechanics are already familiar with it.

The answer is: because the AFP is used to dealing with the supplier of the  Cummins diesel engines already and it's a good and reliable supplier.  (He was at one time my brother-in-law's business partner.)

[Adroth]

The answer is: because the AFP is used to dealing with the supplier of the  Cummins diesel engines already and it's a good and reliable supplier.  (He was at one time my brother-in-law's business partner.)

Are you sure this is the only reason?

Don't technical considerations come into play?

[hellstrom94]

Curious question guys, if it's parts that they need why not get an Isuzu. Parts are easily available all around the Phil.    Mechanics are already familiar with it.

The LAD didn't bought the cummins engine, they are excess engines sitting idly in the AFP Warehouse. LAD just want to make use of it for their newly rehabilitated V-150.

Surely, test and evaluation will follow before it will be issued to its line units.

[hellstrom94]

Mr H,

Do the PA and PMC coordinate with each other re their upgrade programs?

I believe the Army guys are closely monitoring the performance of the Marines' V-150 upgrade.

The Army and Marines armor units have a very close relationship and shares ideas and concepts regularly.

[si juan ang indio]

JUst curious Mister A,

we have other engines that are par with cummins. surplus and spare parts are not scarce. the likes of which are detroit engines, caterpillars, yanmar(they have built faster engines now unlike before), fuzu, graymarine(they also have built better and faster engines now unlike before that they only produce 11 knots in fluid). these are readily available at navotas and bonifacio. brand new engines are also available. their pistons are bigger and the push arms and rods are large its not only ideal for marine environment but most especially at carrying heavy stuffs (like tanks) at ease in long hauls. their up keep are also fairly easy.

another question, dont the tanks exhaust overheat? if they do, let me input one of the innovations ( borrowed innovation) we are doing with our exhausts. we put keel-cooling. we refabricate the whole exhaust and wrap it in an external-metal-welded- tubes around the whole exhausts and use circulating water to arrest the overheating of the engine and exhaust. I have a friend who makes one in tanza. in the old days my late father and colleagues used to wrap it in asbestos.

i wouldnt suggest isuzu, mitsubishi, hino and that other engines becasue sizes of pistons are very small. we need bigger pistons to give that bigger ummph and not just the speed. what do you think sir?

i believe that if we can use these engines at boats which travel greater distances, graeter engine abuse under weather conditions and greater pulling power, we can also use it in military application. one of our wooden boats displaced as much as 35 GRT with out the load of passenegrs .we use these kind of engines because they are readily availabale, spare parts and all, and can be fitted into almost all transmissions (hydraulic and mechanical). one of my latest project was building a boat, shoving a V-12 engine and marrying it with a hydraulic caterpillar transmission. its fairly quiet than the other engines. its cheaper, easier to maintain, parts are available and bigger torque and ummph. engines are also available at those stright types  and the V types.

just my two cents.  

[si juan ang indio]

sorry, its not keel-coling. water-cooling. my bad.

[phichanad]

Are the Marine V-300s originally installed with the Cummins, since according to the Marines, they used Cummins engine for the V-150s to have commonality with the V-300s already in service....therefore same part may be used for both armored vehicles (take note, V-300s are bigger and heavier than the V-150, yet if they have the same engines, expect a better performance from the newly modified V-150s)

Since Cummins is already proven compatible with the V-150, and due to its experience (Philippine plant in Laguna) to install the engines, so that may be the reason why Cummins was used for the Army V-150s as well.....by the way, my cousin is with Cummins, don't know if he still is there since he was scheduled for transfer to its Australian office...but he confirmed, personally seeing the Marine V-150s in their Laguna plant, they are indeed fast, even better than the Mitsubishi Canter trucks...

[frank]

How long have the 6 cylinder Cummins engines been at the AFP warehouse?
What year were they delivered?

[40niner_com]

From Upgraded Marine V150 rolls out

I stand corrected after our visit last week at cummins Phil - the engine on our newly upgraded V-150 ST is the cummins in line 6CTA.

Thanks, Sir Manoks.  This got me back into research mode, and I'm sharing what I found.

From the Textron V-300 brochure (LAV-300 MkII)
Power Train

• Engine ............Cummins QSC 8.3 (turbocharged, after-cooled diesel)  {(other options available)}
• Transmission ...Allison MD3560, 6-speed
• Transfer Case ..Single speed, helical gears
• Axles .............Single reduction hypoid - silent locking differential
• Tires .............14.00R20, Run Flat Inserts

In comparison, the newest of the V-150 series -- ASV-150 used by the US Army MP units in Iraq has the following (Janes)
Power pack: Cummins 6CTA 8.3 turbocharged diesel developing 260hp coupled to an Allison MD 3560 fully automatic transmission

So there is a strong possibility that the Army V-150ST  does have the same turbo-charged engine with the Marines' V-300 (and the now LARSUed V-150S)

Further, if found translated reference of the old (and shorter) V-150 (circa 1973-1981, not our currently operational (stretched) V-150S units) that listed to having two engine options :

• 5.910-liter V8 gasoline engine, 210hp manual or automatci transmission at 4000 rpm
• Diesel 8 cylinders engine, Water cooled, 202 HP at 3,300 rpm; for automatic transmission 4 step forward, 1 step backward

Thailand's current V-150 units used Diesel V540 rated at 202hp.

Take note of the engine mentioned at LAD's website :

We are also undertaking a project wherein we are changing the current engine of V-150 from it V8 engine to a 6BT5-9 Cummins Diesel Engine.  This is because the old engine is already phased out in the market with no available spare parts.

[phichanad]

So which is newer? If the Army's planned engine came from some warehouse, it maybe older than those used by the Marines on their V-150s

[warshak]

An old book about th V-150:

http://rapidshare.com/files/55100273/Osprey_-_New_Vanguard_052_-_Cadillac_Gage_V-100_Commando_1960-71.pdf