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V-150s in Philippine service
« on: July 20, 2006, 03:07:40 PM »
The PMC intent had already been existing since 1994 and known as the V-150 ST. The Phil Army had at least 12 of the version since 1996. We simply copied it for simplier logistics n training of h aving the same engine for both the V-150 and recently acquired V-300 in 1995. we felt that that the lesser turing radius of the original V-150 vs the St compensated the simplier mantainance cost and training of LAVs in our inventory as well as having more horsepower and speed in the engines.
ETA: Thanks to Opus more making this a separate thread... This was the original thread where it was spinned from...

Kudos to PMC for being in the forefront of innovation even with their limited funding. It has updated the V-150 to be at par if not better compared with other nations Wheel-APCs.

It seemed that the V-150 has gone a long way.  Here is an old picture I scourged over the net.


Timawa.net has this pix of the 'most upgraded' PMC unit (#213 in urban camo). Most of us saw this unit prominently active during the last Sunday of Feb at Boni.  PMC's V-150 turrets had also been upgraded.  Photo credits to Timawa.net
On the left is a pix of a Phil Army V-150... Would this be the -ST version?  Note that there two side doors (double/larger) compared with that of the PMC's.


A couple more pixs. On the left are Indonesian V-150s.  Note that it's similar with the PMC unit with regards to the application of the rear portion (rear .50 MG). The last photo is the latest reincarnation of the basic V-150 -- ASV-150, designated by the Army as M1117.  It's similar to the photo above of Manokski.  The ASV-150s are being ordered in numbers by the US Army as alternative to armored HUMVEEs and mostly used by the Military Police as convoy security escorts.
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2006, 03:22:02 PM »
Nice comparison 40niner. Given the effort you already put in, it deserved its own thread.  :thumbsup:
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2006, 04:14:32 PM »
nice pictures! it's good to know we can do stuff like upgrading our own APCs/IFVs to such an extent!  :bravo:

by the way, those rear machine guns on the Indonesian V-150s... they kind of look like M-60s... I could be wrong but... the barrel seems too short for a .50 cal...

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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2006, 07:01:34 PM »
Nice. To answer the question. Yes, the picture in the middle-right side is the ST version.
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2006, 07:09:30 PM »
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2006, 07:00:28 PM »
There are indeed changes with the MODERNIZATION PROGRAM of the Phil Marines' V-150s.  I'm inclined to believe the the previous program (circa 2000) was superceeded -- instead of upgrading all twenty V-150's (or just 19); only twelve (12) units will be covered by the modified LARSU. 

ANY CLARIFICATIONS ?

Previous program is still being quoted by PMC modernation progam at PN website although it seemed to be updated up to 2003 only
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FOR CY 2000...
LIGHT ARMOR SYSTEM UPGRADE

This upgrade requires the replacement of engines and upgrade of the M20 gun sighs of five (5) units of V-150 Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) of the Philippine Marine Corps. The upgrade is envisioned to improve the mobility and lethality of the APCs. APCs are very useful in ISO. It carriers personnel safety to the objective area and provides direct fire-support to maneuvering elements.
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CY 2001...
UPGRADE OF V-150

This project is also a continuation of the CY 2000 V-150 Upgrade. Fourteen (14) V-150 APCs will have their engines replaced, brake systems converted, and their M20 Gun sights upgraded.

AFP Modernization Annual Report 2005 stated that :
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Cadillac-Cage Textron Inc (USA) was awarded by the Sec of  Natl Defense in Aug-2004 with the V-150 Light Armor System Upgrade (LARSU).  Project involves the mobility upgrade of twelve units of V-150 Commando vehicles by re-fitting the power train with 6-cylinder in-line internal combustion type engines.  Delivery is expected in October 2006.

Latest changes were noted by MBLT6's post last month (Jul-2006).
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Update on present and future projects: the Phase 1 of the LARSU program (Light Armor Systems Upgrade) of PMC will start by next month with Textron Marine as the proponent and done in Laguna. The project is under the modenization program - the phase 1 will cover the propulsion phase that requires the V-150 Commando engine be replaced by an engine the same with the V-300. It will require the cutting and extension of the hull. Now in our drawing boards is what do with the old engines. We hope to reconfigure and operationalize the four old Chaimites to an ambulance and mortar carrier using the old engines of the V-150 if the Navy will provide funds.

Calling on insights or insiders (MBLT6) comments... What would happen to the other V-150s?
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 04:30:20 PM »
There are indeed changes with the MODERNIZATION PROGRAM of the Phil Marines' V-150s.  I'm inclined to believe the the previous program (circa 2000) was superceeded -- instead of upgrading all twenty V-150's (or just 19); only twelve (12) units will be covered by the modified LARSU. 

Nice job of putting this together 40.  :thumbsup:

Are you a reporter by any chance?
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 04:01:05 AM »
Nice job of putting this together 40.  :thumbsup:
Are you a reporter by any chance?

Negative. I just find AFP armor to be interesting. Occupation - businessman.  I sent you a PM.
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service (Updt: Modernization question)
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2006, 06:16:25 AM »
Visual Evolution

Precusor : V-100

V-150 was developed as cross between V-100 and V200.  It has greater capacity versus V-100.  Axle capacity was upgraded as it was the main complaint of users of V-100.  It had the T50-MG turret.  Example is the 1st photo above.


V-150S had a longer wheelbase, thus a longer hull.  A Timawa.Net photo showed a hybrid between a V-150S hull and an old T50-MG turret. V-150S started production in 1983. The longer hull accommodated the larger 1-meter turret.


V-150S are in service with Philippine Marines, Philippine Army, PNP-Special Action Force


PMC upgraded (a few) of their S to mount a .50-cal M2 MG on the rear hull hatch.

in 2003, PMC also bought 40mm Auto Grenade Launcher to replace a few of the .50-cal MG on the turret.

Early in the 1990's the ST model was produced.  The driver's glass block has been improved, side door enlarged with upper portion opening up instead of to the side, and stern section was modified.  Phil Army has a few of them.

** drawing notes : the stern portion maybe a bit off

The latest reincarnation of the V-150 is the ASV-150/M1117 which is currently in use/on order by the USArmy Military Police.
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2006, 06:45:09 AM »
Nice drawing its only show how the might V-150 of the PMC evolve on its current form I wish we can add more fire power for those V – 150 long life for those V-150. :thumbsup:

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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2006, 08:46:58 AM »
of the total number of V-150s, how many are still in service? of those in service, how many are with the Army, the Marines and the PNP?
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2006, 02:32:21 PM »
 :bravo:nice!!
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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 06:10:31 PM »
Nice drawing its only show how the might V-150 of the PMC evolve on its current form I wish we can add more fire power for those V – 150 long life for those V-150. :thumbsup:

Let's put a 105 howitzer on one, hehehe!  :thumbsup:


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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 10:17:52 PM »
Good idea why don’t we put the turret of the LVTH-6 on the V-150 of the PMC or some tank turret of scorpion tank by the way can I ask how many scorpion tank is still on active duty where do stock or keep those scorpion tank hope some one can give me a nice info. :thumbsup:

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Re: V-150s in Philippine service
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2007, 06:29:48 AM »
wish it has a Vulcan...it can slice thru trees where the Commies hide
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