M113 conversions in the AFP

[Adroth]

Lots of talk about the PA's addition of a Scorpion tank turret to an M-113, but we've never had photos here. Here's one from Bat21's site

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/Aux1.html



Anyone else know of any other home grown adaptations?

[darthnbs]

How about putting some applique armor in-front of it. Hell, its inviting to an rpg-man!

[MOO]

It has a powerful little gun.

[commanderrobot]

I've seen a model of this m113 conversion although its a different turret not a scorpion light tank AFAICS, i wonder if it bounces the m113 everytime the FSV fires the turret?

[jepot]

The PA had experimented with converting the M113 to a FSV having put FV101 turrets, as seen in this picture.  Another modification was the M113 CSV having a V150 1 meter turret emplaced on the top; the differences of the mounting are significant- few pictures more so of the CSV are out in the open; in the Battle of Nagtahan Bridge in one of the coups back in the 80s, a CSV was documented having participated in the running gunbattle between  rebels and PSG armor.

This project was an offshoot of the observation of then senior PA armor officers of the Aussie FSV- wherein a FV101 turret was directly mounted on the hull of an M113; a scale model by AFV club shows the Aussie model clearly...

HTH

 

[COUPmander Yoda]

A few inches of armor plating[angled around 45 degrees] across the top edge of the gunshield - commander's cupola[M113 ACAV version] .  This is used against protection from sniper's in elevated terrain or trees.  This was gained from experience against MILF guerillas.  Photographer Charlie Saceda had this posted in the defunct photos.ph website.

Wooden planks of hardwood are sometimes attached to the front and side armor  of AFP M113s as additional protection from indigenous RPG-2 rounds of the MILF.

A spotlight was slaved to the .50cal M2 HMG of some M113s in the Marcos era.

I hope someday we get to see these M113s in a military exhibit.

[jepot]

A few inches of armor plating[angled around 45 degrees] across the top edge of the gunshield - commander's cupola[M113 ACAV version] .  This is used against protection from sniper's in elevated terrain or trees.  This was gained from experience against MILF guerillas.  Photographer Charlie Saceda had this posted in the defunct photos.ph website.

Wooden planks of hardwood are sometimes attached to the front and side armor  of AFP M113s as additional protection from indigenous RPG-2 rounds of the MILF.

A spotlight was slaved to the .50cal M2 HMG of some M113s in the Marcos era.

I hope someday we get to see these M113s in a military exhibit.

These are field modfcations; conversions include major structural alterations unlike the modifications which are mere changes of minor parts of the vehicles...

[COUPmander Yoda]

^^^
Ngek!  Thanks jepot!

I noticed that the smoke grenade mortars of AFP armor are empty.

[mordoc]

nice another junk yard master piece a half truck and a tank additional fire power to destroy enemy in sight more power to our men in the field

[predator]

Maganda bang idea kung gawin natin yung ginawa sa LVTH6 yung ginamit yung tracks ng mga lumang LVTH6 ... will this be very effective? pwede rin ba yungawin  sa mga v150 and v300 ... or mas mabuti hintayin na lang natin yung upgrade armour na para talaga sa M113 ?

[jepot]

I noticed that the smoke grenade mortars of AFP armor are empty.

korek- bibihira ang may laman pa; last time i saw an armored smoke discharger fired was when the simbas were newly delivered and they demonstrated their capabilities...at nag ubuhan lahat ng tao  sa nakasinghot nung usok...

Maganda bang idea kung gawin natin yung ginawa sa LVTH6 yung ginamit yung tracks ng mga lumang LVTH6 ... will this be very effective? pwede rin ba yungawin sa mga v150 and v300 ... or mas mabuti hintayin na lang natin yung upgrade armour na para talaga sa M113 ?

the spare tracks of the H6 were meant to prematurely detonate any RPG round that may hit it; if you try that on the V150 or V300, consider the weight factor of all those tracks welded to the hull in comparison to the power plant of the H6 and the wheeled APCs...so baka the added weight may not be good for the wheeled APCs if H6 tracks were added...

i saw years ago a V150 with tires spread out all over the hull, ala H6 tracks principle; at first di mo mapapansin kasi painted over, but on closer scrutiny, gulong pala ang ginawang add-on armor...dunno how effective...

 

[COUPmander Yoda]

Talking to a crew member of an LVTH6....he averred the steel armor plate  of the LVTH6 as better protection than the rolled aluminum hull of the M113.  I forgot to tell him that in Vietnam, there were incidents when RPG rounds failed to penetrate the armor of USMC LVTH6; I do not recall though if these rounds that failed to penetrate are B40 or PG-7 rockets. 

Another field modification that I can remember:

Some PA M113s  have the version of the M2 .50cal. HMG barrel jacket that has a lot of holes[for ventilation].  This is from an old film camera image of an M113 in the Nagtahan area in Sampaloc during the Edsa 1 coup d' etat cum revolution.

[prairiefire]

anybody have any ideas on how many M113's we have?

[sandstig]

According to SIPRI's databases:

15x M113A1, delivered 1970
20x M113A1, delivered 1976*
25x M113A1, delivered 1978
20x M113A1, delivered 1981

Supposedly, another 48 M113s (unknown variant) were ordered in 2003 with deliveries to have begun in 2006. Note that SIPRI only marked the delivery of 20 in 1976 as 100% certain, everything else is an estimate.

I have no idea how many M113s are still in service or are serviceable.

EDIT: U.S. Library of Congress lists 100 M113s in the PA's inventory as of 1990. Their data was taken from The Military Balance 1990-1991 and Jane's Armour and Artillery 1990-1991.

[gary1910]

According to SIPRI's databases:

15x M113A1, delivered 1970
20x M113A1, delivered 1976*
25x M113A1, delivered 1978
20x M113A1, delivered 1981

Supposedly, another 48 M113s (unknown variant) were ordered in 2003 with deliveries to have begun in 2006. Note that SIPRI only marked the delivery of 20 in 1976 as 100% certain, everything else is an estimate.

I believe M113 is out of production for years (except AIFV version), so where are they manufactured from?

2nd hand perhaps?