Have we really taken care of the basics?

[Adroth]

Before we can even begin talking about advanced weaponry (e.g., MRFs, frigates, SAMs . . . battlestars and starships), the AFP must start with the basics.

- Training
- Infantry-level equipment
- Casualty care

How are we doing in these areas?

[imerisevil]

Before we can even begin talking about advanced weaponry (e.g., MRFs, frigates, SAMs . . . battlestars and starships), the AFP must start with the basics.

- Training
- Infantry-level equipment
- Casualty care

How are we doing in these areas?

Training---No comment
Infantry-level equipment---It's starting to get better.....
Casualty care---Just a question? Does the AFP address our soldier's Psychological wounds?

[Adroth]

Casualty care---Just a question? Does the AFP address our soldier's Psychological wounds?

Excellent question. Our soldiers are not counted amongst the well-off, so if the AFP does not (or the system is simply not able) to take care of them . . .

What typically happens to a soldier who is critically injured, and must be taken care of for life?

[opus]

Training---No comment
Infantry-level equipment---It's starting to get better.....
Casualty care---Just a question? Does the AFP address our soldier's Psychological wounds?

There was a segment on a news magazine program (ABS-CBN, I think) a few months back about this.  There actually is care being provided.  One of the soldiers featured was a member of ISAFP who had the nasty job of dealing (violently) with crime syndicates within the armed forces.  Others were soldiers who reached the limits their nerves could take, the depressed, the frazzled, etc.  The facilities and treatment were not at par with what you would expect from first world countries, of course, but it was practical and real world-like.  The treatment shown didn't involve expensive medication and equipment, just time and a nurturing attitude.

 

[davaofrancis]

GUN SHOT WOUND First Aid & MEDEVAC requirements:

1. Shout Mediiiiiiiiic!
2. Morphine.
3. Trauma Gauze and Bandages
4. Field Dextrose
5. Blood Plasma
6. Blood
7. Where is the stretcheeeeeer?!!!
8. And where are the God D***** chopperrrrrs?!!!
9. ..... just pile them in the body bags.......
10.  @#*$#@(*&^!!!!!!!    

[jepot]

Casualty care---Just a question? Does the AFP address our soldier's Psychological wounds?

there is this thing called Critical Incident Stress Debriefing that the OTSG fields as needed- that includes those who have served in foreign shores for the UN.  So medyo addressed yang psychological wounds

[jepot]

GUN SHOT WOUND First Aid & MEDEVAC requirements:
1. Shout Mediiiiiiiiic!
2. Morphine.
3. Trauma Gauze and Bandages
4. Field Dextrose
5. Blood Plasma
6. Blood
7. Where is the stretcheeeeeer?!!!
8. And where are the God D***** chopperrrrrs?!!!
9. ..... just pile them in the body bags.......
10.  @#*$#@(*&^!!!!!!!    

we dopnt use morphine sa field anymore...

we call them battle dressing in lieu of gauze..

dextrose in any form is dextrose, be it Lactated Ringers or D5LR..

blood plasma is not available in the field nor at camp- blood is available at some hospitals...

the stretcher is almost always there... but NOT the helicopter or the ground transportation for evacuation...

no we do not just pile them in the body bags,,,  you have it all wrong, believe me...

the curses come from all, the patients, the health care providers, the friendly troops, and the enemy- for various reasons...

[Adroth]

we dopnt use morphine sa field anymore...

Wow. (Remember that MRF and Aegis-cruiser advocates)

What is usually used as a substitute? Is there one, or is it usually a case of "grin and bear it".

the stretcher is almost always there... but NOT the helicopter or the ground transportation for evacuation...

Roger that re the stretchers. Will put that project in the freezer and stick to the muffs.

[herman]

Casualty care? Meron ba tayo nun? Haha, I saw some scene from a GMA documentary where a wounded soldier is evacuated from the battlefield by a Simba.

As for the psychological wound, any medic would say "Ayos lang yan, malayo sa bituka iyan!"

[Barber 6]

Casualty care? Meron ba tayo nun? Haha, I saw some scene from a GMA documentary where a wounded soldier is evacuated from the battlefield by a Simba.

As for the psychological wound, any medic would say "Ayos lang yan, malayo sa bituka iyan!"

MEDIC? Meron ba tayo nun? 

[Adroth]

Assuming Barber 6 and Herman's assumptions are correct . . .

. . . does anyone here seriously still think that we ought to be focusing on equipment acquisition fantasies?

What use are MRFs and SAMs, if there are no troops to secure the airfields or SAM sites?

What use are Mi-28 Havocs for close-air support if there are no more grunts to support?

AEGIS cruisers anyone?

[Havoc]

I'll be the first to admit that I would like to see some high-ticket items in AFP inventory. But I also believe that before any of these are bought, the military needs to really beef up training and focus more on the Infantry level equipment. Maintance and effictive useage of weaponary should be a high priority along with purchasing basic equipment such as body armor, radios, and new weapons.

[davaofrancis]

How about we start with basic & advanced marksmanship training and funds for practice ammo???

It would be nice to see an automated gunnery range in lieu of the old cardboard silhoutte targets.

"E-type" plastic sihouette targets with bullet sensors.  As the bullet passes through the targets, a sensing circuit actuates pneumatic cylinders to lower the targets indicating a hit.

There are plastic dummies wearing clothing apparel for CQB tactics and takedowns.  These dummies absorb some of the kinetic energy and topples down on its hinged base.

Its better to give bullet hits than to recieve.   

[jepot]

MEDIC? Meron ba tayo nun? 

meron sir- and if you sir are in the service too, you should be one of the first who should know or feel their presence especially when you need them, and not just in CIVACS or MEDCAPS...

i dont know how you utilize your medics ( drivers? orderlies? guards? etc) in your unit, nor how you treat and respect them - but in the PMC, the corpsman is one who is the first his fellow Marine would call in times of need; and the Marine corpsman still somehow delivers the goods in anyway he can with the limited supplies and support he can get... ..but we have to admit, the medic or corpsman in almost any unit is indeed misused, hence, negating his supposed usefulness and making him less honed in his skill..

Casualty care? Meron ba tayo nun? Haha, I saw some scene from a GMA documentary where a wounded soldier is evacuated from the battlefield by a Simba.

As for the psychological wound, any medic would say "Ayos lang yan, malayo sa bituka iyan!"

define casualty care - not from what you see from a TV or the movies be it a docu or canned,but from the theoretical and actual application of it - and tell me again if its worth laughing about..

really? malayo nga sa bituka, but have you been on the receiving end of how CISD deals with psychological trauma for you to say that statement?

simply said, the basics have not been fully addressed, following the title of this thread. but despite the stereotyping and bias many of us exhibit, in this case, casualty care ( to quote the other poster here), steps are being done to address the flaws and pitfalls of such issue.  but if the higher ups and the line in general treats the efforts in disdain, and moreso, with skepticism, all the efforts to improve such will be for naught.  and for those who are trying to help improve the system, if they do not sustain their efforts and be blinded by factors which will hinder their success, they will just end up in square one- and with more bias and skepticism from all concerned- patients, colleagues, senior officers, and even posters here who would rather fault find than help in their own ways in making the system better...

[mikelogics]

there is this thing called Critical Incident Stress Debriefing that the OTSG fields as needed- that includes those who have served in foreign shores for the UN.  So medyo addressed yang psychological wounds

Some people cope better than others.

Depends on which side of the ambush you find yourself caught.











yeah, I've seen both sides